Robert Eggers adadabwitsa anthu atayamba kupanga kanema, The Witch, ndipo posakhalitsa lidakhala dzina loti liziwayang'anira pamagawo amakanema. Chiyembekezo chakhala chikupanga kutulutsa kanema wake watsopano kwambiri, The yowunikira, kutsika kozizira ndikukhala misala yoyendetsedwa ndimasewera awiri mwamphamvu ndi nyenyezi Robert Pattinson ndi Willem Dafoe.

Posachedwa ndidakhala ndi mwayi wocheza ndi Eggers za The yowunikira, machitidwe ake ogogoda, komanso zovuta zapadera zakujambula kanema mosamala kwambiri mwatsatanetsatane.

Dinani apa kuti muwerenge ndemanga yanga yonse of The yowunikira kuyambira koyamba ku TIFF

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Kelly McNeely: Choyamba, kodi mtundu wa kanemayo unali chiyani? Kodi lingaliro ili lidachokera kuti? Kodi iye anabadwa motani?

Robert Eggers: Mchimwene wanga anali kugwira ntchito pazenera zomwe amati ndizokhudza mzukwa munyumba yoyatsa magetsi, ndipo ndimaganiza kuti limenelo ndi lingaliro labwino kwambiri ndipo ndimayembekeza kuti sangafike patali kuti ndimupemphe chilolezo choti amubere . Ndipo ndizomwe zidachitika chifukwa pomwe amalankhula nkhani yamzukwa mnyumba yowunikira, ndidaziyimira zakuda komanso zoyera, zotumphuka, zafumbi, zachipongwe, zam'mlengalenga. Zosautsa kuchokera koyamba chakudya chamadzulo. Ndipo ndimafuna kupeza nkhani yomwe idapita ndimlengalenga. 

Kubwerera ku 2011 kapena 2013, kapena zina zotero, pomwe ndidayamba kugwira ntchito The yowunikira, The Witch tinakumana ndipo pambuyo pake ndinayitanitsa mchimwene wanga nati, taonani, tiyeni tilembere limodzi nyumbayi, ndikupanga zina zikuluzikulu, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti kungakhale kwanzeru kukhala ndi china chaching'ono mthumba mwanga. Chifukwa chake tidatenga masamba anga a 10 pazenera komanso zolemba zambiri komanso zithunzi ndikusintha kanema uyu zaka zingapo zapitazo.

Kelly McNeely: Muli ndi kudzipereka kotereku kwakanthawi komanso kukongoletsa komanso mawonekedwe amlengalenga, pakati pa kuyatsa kwachilengedwe, kapangidwe ka seti, mawonekedwe a orthochromatic, ndi chiwonetsero cha 1.19: 1. Kodi mungalankhule pang'ono za njira yopangira ndi kupanga zinthu zonse mufilimuyi?

Robert Eggers: Inde, ndikutanthauza, chilichonse ndichofanana, nthawi zonse ndimasanthula ndikulemba, ndikusonkhanitsa zithunzi ndikulemba, ndipo zithunzi zitha kulimbikitsa mitu ndi chilichonse, chifukwa kanemayu ali ndi mbiri yayitali kwambiri moyo wopanga mafilimu. Ndakhala ndikulankhula ndi Jarin Blaschke DP za izi kwa chaka chimodzi, ndipo takhala ndi malingaliro amitundu yonse. Ndipo zonsezi zimafikira, potsiriza, ngati titha kuyikapo manja athu? Ndipo, mukudziwa, tikadafuna kuti iziwombedwe pazithunzi zamafilimu zomwe mungagule kuti muzitha kujambula, koma palibe amene angatipangire izi kanema wa 35mm, komanso sitingakhale nawo ngati tikufuna kuti. Chifukwa chake tidakhazikika pa bwXX, zoyipa zakuda ndi zoyera zomwe sizinasinthe kuyambira ma 1950. 

Oda akuda modzidzimutsa m'njira yokhutiritsa kwambiri, ali ndi kusiyana kocheperako, ndipo mukudziwa chiyani china? Monga, ilipo! [akuseka] Ndipo Jarin adagwira ntchito ndi Schneider kuti apange fyuluta yoyeserera kuti atipatse mawonekedwe owoneka bwino, kenako Panavision imatsegula makina awo osamvetseka kwa Jarin yemwe amatha kulowa ngati mwana wasukulu wopusitsa ndikupeza mitundu yonse yazovuta. Tili ndi ndikuganiza kuwombera kawiri kapena katatu ndi makina owonera omwe sitikudziwa kuti ndi ati, akuchokera kuti, pomwe amapangidwa. Chifukwa chake adaganiza, "Jarin ayenera kuwona izi" [kuseka].

Kelly McNeely: ndi The Witch, Ndikudziwa kuti zokambiranazo zidachotsedwa pazolemba zakale. Kodi inali njira yotani yolembera zokambirana za The yowunikira?

Robert Eggers: Inde, a The Witch ali ndi ziganizo zambiri zomwe sizinasinthidwe kuchokera kumagwero a nthawi. Kudzitamandira kwanga panthawiyo, kunali kuti kulemekeza Oyeretsawa omwe anali okonda kwambiri zikhulupiriro zawo komanso malingaliro awo kotero kuti ndimafunikira kugwiritsa ntchito mawu omwe amati akuti. Mufilimuyi, mchimwene wanga ndi ine tinalibe ziganizo zambiri zomwe sizinasinthe - pali zina, koma osati zochuluka. Koma tikungolemba kuchokera kumagwero athu a nthawi yathu kuti tipeze njira yolembera zokambirana zathu.

Gwero lothandiza kwambiri linali Sarah Orne Jewett, wochokera kudera labwino lakale la Maine. Amalemba munthawi yathu ino ndipo amafunsana ndi anthu ogwira ntchito pagombe la Maine, ndikulemba nkhani zake zazikulu mchilankhulo. Ndipo mkazi wanga adatipezera lingaliro lokhudza zolankhula ku Sarah Orne Jewett lomwe limapereka malamulo azilankhulo zosiyanasiyana motero titha kukhala achindunji ndi ntchito yathu. Koma Dafoe ali ndi ziganizo zingapo zomwe zimachokera mwachindunji kuchokera kwa oyang'anira apanyanja opuma pantchito ku Jewett, omwe amati amachokera kwa akapitawo apamadzi apuma pantchito. 

Kelly McNeely: Nanga bwanji mawu ake? Chifukwa pali mawu omveka bwino omwe amagwiritsa ntchito Nyumba Yowunikira.

Robert Eggers: Malankhulidwe a Rob ali ngati, mukudziwa, mawu achikale a ku England. Monga zachokera kumawonekedwe akum'mawa, koma ndikuganiza ngati muli weniweni wa New Englander, mukudziwa, mumapeza kukoma kwa munthu yemwe sanakhale malo amodzi ku New England moyo wake wonse. Ndinagula galimoto yanga pomwe ndimayendera makolo anga posachedwa ku New Hampshire ndipo wogulitsa magalimoto adakulira ku Boston ndikusamukira ku Maine, kenako New Hampshire, ndikumveka pafupi kwambiri ndi Rob, ali ofanana pang'ono. Matchulidwe a Dafoe ndichinthu chongopeka ndi Rhotic R - hard R, pirate Arr - kukhala nazo ku Maine m'mphepete mwa nyanja, tikudziwa kuti zinali ku New Brunswick patsogolo pang'ono kumpoto, ndi ku Nova Scotia patsogolo pang'ono kumpoto kuposa pamenepo.

Kelly McNeely: Robert Pattinson ndi Willem Dafoe amapiriradi; amapita patsogolo ndikuthupi ndi malingaliro awo. Kodi panali nthawi yomwe mumayenera kubweza zinthu?

Robert Eggers: Ayi sichoncho. Mukudziwa, ndi nkhani yovuta kwambiri ndipo awa ndi awiri odzipereka modabwitsa, okonda kugwira ntchito molimbika omwe ali ndi zinthu zovuta, ndipo akufuna kukakamizidwa mpaka kumapeto ndipo sindinkafunika kubwerera mmbuyo. Sindinkafunikiranso kukankhira zinthu, chifukwa amafuna kupereka zabwino zawo mufilimuyi. Panali zokambirana zambiri m'nyuzipepala m'mbuyomu za Robert Pattinson akufuna kundimenya kumaso chifukwa cha zochitika zina. Koma ngati kukugwa kunja ndipo mvula siikuwerenga pafupi, muyenera kukoka payipi yamoto kuti mvula iwerenge. Ndipo sizovuta. Koma mukudziwa ngati Rob akufuna kundivulaza, sindinadziwe izi panthawiyo chifukwa anali katswiri ngati helo ndipo amafuna kuwonetsetsa kuti nthawiyo ndiyabwino kwambiri momwe ingathere. 

Kelly McNeely: Kodi ndi nthano ziti zomwe mudatuluka kuti mupange nkhaniyi? 

Robert Eggers: Mafupa a nkhaniyi atengera zomwe akuti ndi zoona. Nthawi zambiri amatchedwa Smalls Lighthouse Tragedy, ndipo zidachitika ku Wales cha m'ma 1800. Ndipo anali oyang'anira nyumba zowunikira, onse awiri otchedwa Thomas, wachichepere, amasokonekera pachilumba chawo pamalo awo owunikira chifukwa kuli mkuntho. Wamkulu amafa, ndipo wam'ng'ono amapenga. Pali malekezero ngati omwe sindingawaulule, koma mutha kuyang'ana mosavuta. Ndipo uwo unali mtundu wa izi - kapena makamaka ndiyo mbewu yomwe idabzalidwa kuti nkhaniyi imere. 

Pamene Max - mchimwene wanga yemwe adalemba izi ndi ine - ndipo ndimapitilizabe kufotokoza nkhaniyi, tidangodziyankhulira tokha, ndi nthano zachikale ziti zomwe tazipeza mwangozi? Ndi The Witch Ndimayang'ana Hansel ndi Gretel, mwazinthu zina, nditalemba zomwe ndidalemba kuti ndikonzenso Hansel ndi Gretel-isms. Chifukwa chake tidadzifunsa tokha nthano zachikale zomwe tazigwiritsa ntchito pano kuti tithandizenso kukhazikitsa mitu, zojambulajambula, ndi zithunzi. Tidasankha zojambula zakale chifukwa chongotengera nthano zachikale zomwe Dafoe amazipanga m'nyanja zomwe zidalimbikitsidwa ndi Melville. Chifukwa chake pali mishmash yazinthu zosiyanasiyana kuyambira Proteus kupita ku Prometheus zomwe akatswiri ena amakono amatha kukhumudwa kuti taphatikizana, koma, ndikuganiza kuti zili bwino. 

Kelly McNeely: Ndimakonda kugwiritsa ntchito kuyatsa kwachilengedwe mu zonsezi The Witch ndi The yowunikira. Nchiyani chakulimbikitsani kuti muwonere mwanjira imeneyi? 

Robert Eggers: Jarin Blaschke - DP - ndipo ndimakonda njira yachilengedwe. Kuyatsa mu The yowunikira ndi stylized kuposa The Witch; The Witch imagwiritsa ntchito kuwala kwachilengedwe ndi lawi la moto kwa onse kupatula kuwombera kumodzi kapena kawiri, kupatula zowonera usiku zomwe zikuyenera kuyatsidwa. 

The yowunikiraKumbali inayi, imagwiritsa ntchito zoyipa zakuda ndi zoyera zomwe sizinasinthe kuyambira ma 1950 kotero zimafunikira kuunika kochulukirapo kuti ziwoneke. Komabe, sitinayatse ngati kanema wakale; ngakhale kuwunikaku ndikodabwitsa ndipo yakokomeza chiaroscuro, mosiyana ndi makanema akale, timagwiritsa ntchito magetsi omwe ali pamalowo kuwunikira zochitikazo. Izi zati, sindiwo lamoto mu nyali ya palafini chifukwa simudzapezeka pamoto. Chifukwa chake tili ndi babu ya 600 watt halogen pa chozimitsa chomwe chimapanga mawonekedwe ngati lawi. Ndipo ndimaikonda, makamaka ndi yakuda ndi yoyera chifukwa imathwanima, mukudziwa, ngati kanema wakale. Chithunzicho chili ndi mpweya, ngati ndingakhale wofunika kwambiri. 

Kelly McNeely: Ndikumvetsetsa kuti mwamanga zonse, zomwe ndizodabwitsa. Zovuta zanji zojambulira pamalo? 

Robert Eggers: Inde, tidamanga nyumba iliyonse yomwe mumawona mufilimuyi, kuphatikiza nsanja ya 70 yopenyera. Sitinapeze nyumba yowunikira yomwe idatigwirira ntchito, sitinapeze imodzi yokhala ndi misewu yabwino yomwe ingathe kuwomberedwa. Koma kukhala ndi imodzi kumatanthauza kuti tinali ndi ulamuliro wambiri. Pazonse, kuwombera pamalo ndikumanga ma seti ambiri kwatipatsa mphamvu. Izi zati, kuti tifotokoze nkhaniyi moyenera, tidasankha malo osalanga bwino pomwe timadziwa kuti nyengo yoipa idzakhala yoipa. Ndipo chifukwa chake zidabweretsa mavuto ambiri - ndizosatheka kuyenda mwachangu ngati munthu pansi pa mphepo yamkuntho yamkuntho ndi mvula yamkuntho, ndipo mumadziwa kutentha komwe kumangopitirira kuzizira ndipo simungayende msanga; kamera idzawonongeka. Chifukwa chake pali zovuta zambiri, koma palibe amene akudandaula. Izi ndi zomwe tidasainira. Tinkafuna kutsutsidwa.

The yowunikira idatulutsidwa m'malo owonetsera ku US pa Okutobala 18, ndikumasulidwa kwakukulu pa Okutobala 25.