Wokonzeka ikuyimira gawo lotsogolera kwa Ari Aster, yemwe kale anali kuwongolera makanema achidule asanu ndi limodzi. Kuyambira pamenepo Wokonzeka oyambitsidwa ku Sundance Film Festival mu Januware 2018, ofufuza adafanizira Wokonzeka kujambula mafilimu ngati Mwana wa Rosemary ndi Kuwala ndipo adamutcha Aster kuti ndi wolemba.

Kuyankhulana kotsatira ndi Aster kunachitika, kudzera pa imelo, sabata yoyamba ya Epulo.  Wokonzeka imatsegulidwa m'malo owonetsera pa June 8.

DG: Kodi chiyambi chake chinali chotani, cholowa cha cholowa, ndipo mutu wa kanemayo ndiwotani?

AA: Ndinkafuna kusinkhasinkha mozama za chisoni ndi zowawa zomwe pang'onopang'ono zimayamba kukhala zoopsa - momwe moyo ungamverere ngati chowopsa pakagwa tsoka. Kufunika kwenikweni kwa mutuwo sikuyenera kumawonekera kwa owonera mpaka kumapeto kwa kanema, koma ndikwanira kutero Wokonzeka imakhudzidwa makamaka ndi kusakhulupirika kwa maubale am'banja. Pakutha pa kanemayo, zikuwonekeratu kuti banja ili lilibe ufulu wosankha; tsogolo lawo laperekedwa kwa iwo, ndipo ndi cholowa chomwe alibe chiyembekezo choti chidzagwedezeka.

DG: Kodi ndi mitu iti yomwe mukufuna kufufuza ndi kanemayu?

AA: Pali makanema ambiri okhudzana ndi tsoka lomwe limabweretsa anthu pamodzi ndikulimbikitsa maubwenzi. Ndinkafuna kupanga kanema pazinthu zonse zomwe chisoni chingasokoneze anthu komanso momwe zoopsa zimasinthira munthu - osati zabwinopo! Cholowa ndi gawo la zochitika zoopsa kwambiri zomwe zimatsogolera kumapeto oyipa, opanda chiyembekezo. Tsopano ndikungoyenera kufufuza chifukwa chake ndimafuna kuchita zonsezi.

DG: Ndi njira yanji yojambula, yomwe inu ndi ojambula zithunzi za kanema mudakambirana musanayambe kujambula, ndipo mungafotokoze bwanji mawonekedwe ndi kanemayo?

AA: Ndakhala ndikugwira ntchito ndi DP wanga, Pawel Pogorzelski, popeza ndidakumana naye ku AFI, ndipo tapanga chidule chodabwitsa. Timalankhula chilankhulo chimodzi, mpaka kufika pokwiyitsana wina ndi mnzake pakangokhala kusagwirizana kapena kusamvana. Momwe ndimagwirira ntchito - ndipo ndikutsimikiza kuti pali njira zabwino zogwirira ntchito - ndikuti nthawi zonse ndimayamba ndikulemba mndandanda wazowombera, ndipo sindimayankhula ndi aliyense mgulu la anthu mpaka mndandanda wonsewo utatha. Kuchokera pamenepo, mafunso okhudza kuphedwa, kuyatsa, kapangidwe ka zinthu, ndi zina zambiri, amakhala pakati. Koma choyamba, wamkulu aliyense wa dipatimenti ayenera kuwona kanema m'mutu mwawo. Poterepa, kamera imatha kukhala yamadzimadzi kwambiri, yopanda chidwi, yowonera - yosokoneza. Malankhulidwe ake ndi ovuta kuyankhula… koma nditha kunena kuti nthawi zambiri ndimauza ogwira nawo ntchito kuti kanemayo asamve zoipa. Tili ndi banja, ndipo tili nawo limodzi posazindikira zomwe zikuchitika, koma payeneranso kukhala lingaliro loti tikuwawona kuchokera kuzidziwitso zambiri, zankhanza.

DG: Kodi ndi zinthu ziti zomwe mwabweretsa mufilimuyi, ndipo mukuganiza kuti omvera angakopeka ndi kuchita mantha kwambiri ndi kanemayu?

AA: Zinali zofunikira kwa ine kuti tizichita nawo sewero labanja tisanafike pazinthu zowopsa. Kanemayo amafunika kuyima payekha ngati tsoka lakunyumba isanakhale ngati kanema wowopsa. Chifukwa chake, zambiri zomwe ndidapereka kwa ogwira nawo ntchito sizinali zowopsa m'mafilimu. Mike Leigh anali m'modzi - makamaka Zinsinsi ndi Kunama ndi Zonse kapena Palibe. Tinakambirananso mozama Mvula Yamkuntho ndi Ku Chipinda, yomwe yasintha pamphindi za 30 zomwe sizosiyana kwambiri ndi za Hereditary. Bergman ndi m'modzi mwa ngwazi zanga, ndipo kulira ndi kunong'oneza ndichinthu chomwe ndimaganizira, komanso Autumn Sonata momwe zimachitikira ndi ubale wamayi ndi mwana wamkazi. Makanema owopsa omwe tidakambirana anali ochokera m'ma 60s ndi 70s. Mwana wa Rosemary anali mwala woyesera woonekera. Osayang'ana Tsopano ndi chachikulu. Nicholas Roeg, ambiri, anali wamkulu kwa ine. Ndimakonda a Jack Clayton Osalakwa. Ndipo pali makanema akulu owopsa aku Japan - Udzu, Onibaba, Ufumu wa Passion, Kwaida, kuroneko...

DG: Mungafotokoze bwanji zamphamvu zomwe zili m'banja la Graham tikakumana nawo koyamba mufilimuyi, ndipo mungafotokoze bwanji zaulendo womwe adatenga mufilimuyi?

AA: A Grahams amakhala atadzipatula kale wina ndi mnzake tikakumana nawo. Mpweya umayenera kukhala wochuluka ndi mbiri yodzaza, yosadziwika. Kuchokera pamenepo, zimachitika zomwe zimangowasiyanitsa, ndipo pakutha kwa kanema, membala aliyense m'banjamo amakhala mlendo kwathunthu - ngati siwowoneka ngati awiriwo - kwa mnzake. Kuti mufotokozere nkhani ya Freud yonena zamatsenga, nyumba ya Wokonzeka amakhala osasunthika.

DG: Kodi mungalongosole bwanji zakomwe kulipo koyipa komwe kumazunza banja la a Graham mufilimuyi, ndipo amayankha bwanji izi?

AA: Pali zinthu zambiri zapoizoni zomwe zimaseweredwa. Kudziimba mlandu, kuipidwa, kudzudzula, kusakhulupilira… ndiyeno pali ziwanda, nazonso.

DG: Kodi mungalongosole bwanji ubale womwe ulipo, m'moyo ndi imfa, pakati pa Charlie ndi agogo ake a Ellen?

AA: Kufotokozera izi kungakhale kuvumbula zowululira zazikulu mufilimuyi. Ndiyesetsa kupewa kuwononga!

DG: Ndi vuto liti lalikulu lomwe mwakumana nalo mukamajambula?

AA: Tinamanga mkati monse mnyumbamo pamalo omveka. Chilichonse mkati mwa nyumbayo chidapangidwa ndikumangidwa kuyambira koyamba. Kupitilira izi, tinali ndi vuto lina loti tikhale ndi chithunzi chaching'ono cha nyumbayo (pakati pazithunzi zina zambiri). Izi zikutanthauza kuti tifunika kupanga chilichonse chakunyumba pasadakhale kuwombera. Izi sizikutanthauza kuti tifunikira kusankha momwe nyumba ilili komanso kukula kwa zipindazo, chomwe ndichinthu chophweka kwambiri kwa miniaturist kutengera; zimatanthauza kuti tifunika kupanga zisankho zokhudzana ndi kavalidwe koyambirira kwambiri. Chifukwa chake, timafunikira kudziwa momwe mipandoyo ingakhalire, mapepala azithunzi adzakhala otani, zomera zomwe tikadakhala nazo mchipinda chilichonse, zomwe tikadakhala tikuyika pazenera, ndi zina zotero. Tidawombera chilichonse chokhudzana ndi nyumba zodyera sabata lathu lapitali, ndipo zinali zolimba kwambiri kotero kuti tinkatumizidwa m'masiku omwewo omwe amawomberedwa.

DG: Kodi Utah, malo omwe mumajambulira, adabweretsa chiyani mufilimuyi yomwe inali yosiyana ndi malo ena omwe mungasankhe, ndipo mungafotokoze bwanji zakumbuyo, momwe zidakhalira, kanemayo?

AA: Chabwino, poyamba tinapita ku Utah chifukwa tinatha kupeza zambiri kuchokera ku bajeti yathu kumeneko. Komanso, pulani yoyambirira inali yopanga kanema wachisanu ndikuwonetsetsa kuti nyumbayo izikhala ndi chipale chofewa. Izi zati, kukonzekera kunatiuza kuti tiwombere nthawi yachilimwe, ndipo pamapeto pake sindinakhale wosangalala ndimalo omwe Utah adapereka. Sindingaganize kuti kanemayo akuyang'ana kwina kulikonse. Ndiyeneranso kunena kuti tinali ndi anthu odabwitsa kwambiri pafilimuyi - kuchokera ku dipatimenti ya zaluso kupita ku dipatimenti ya kamera, panalibe cholumikizira chimodzi chofooka. Ndikupangira Utah kwa aliyense amene akufuna kupanga kanema.

DG: Ndi chiwonetsero chiti chomwe mumakonda kapena momwe amafotokozera mufilimuyi?

AA: Chabwino, ndikuyembekeza kupewa wowononga komanso pachiwopsezo chobisalira: pali montage yayitali ya Toni Collette akulira mosatonthozeka (patatha sabata limodzi), ndipo ndikusangalala ndi momwe zidachitikira.

DG: Nditawerenga za Ann Dowd, Joan, nthawi yomweyo ndidaganizira za Billie Whitelaw ngati Akazi a Baylock The malodza. Kodi mungafotokoze bwanji gawo la Joan mufilimuyi?

AA: Khalidwe lake lilidi pachikhalidwe chimenecho. Pazomwezi, alinso mchikhalidwe cha otchulidwa ngati ma Castevets Mwana wa Rosemary kapena khungu lodziwika bwino la Hilary Mason mu Osayang'ana Tsopano. Amachokera kukayikira kopanda chiyembekezo kwa oyandikana nawo modzipereka omwe akuwoneka kuti akukufunirani zabwino. Moyenera, amachokera ku mwambo wamasewero am'banja akunja okoma omwe amalowa m'malo ogulitsira membala wina wosavomerezeka. Judd Hirsch mu Anthu Wamba ndi chitsanzo chimodzi.

DG: Chifukwa cha chidwi chomwe kanemayo adalandira pakadali pano, zomwe ndizodabwitsa kuti kanema yemwe sanatulutsidwebe kale, zikuwoneka ngati kanemayo adapeza kale mbiri yakale dziko lonse lapansi lisanakhalepo mwayi kuti muwone. Kodi mwakumana ndi zotani, malinga ndi momwe omvera amvera, pakuwonera komwe mudapitako mpaka pano, ndipo mungafotokozere bwanji zomwe mwalandira mufilimuyi mpaka pano?

AA: Zomwe zidachitikazi zakhala zosangalatsa kwambiri. Kunena zowona, poyamba ndinali womasuka kwambiri kuti anthu samaganiza kuti ndichinthu chachikulu. Koma mumaphunzira msanga kuti ndichinthu chapaderadera, ngakhale kanema wanu wowopsa akugwira kapena ayi. Zili ngati kupanga nthabwala. Mwina anthu akuseka kapena ayi. Koma ndikhoza kunena kuti palibe chomwe chimamverera ngati omvera onse akufuula pazomwe mudapanga. Ndi dopamine yayikulu kwambiri.

DG: Popeza iyi ndi filimu yanu yoyamba, mungalongosole bwanji zaulendo womwe mwatenga zaka khumi zapitazi?

AA: Ndakhala ndikulemba zowonera kuyambira ndili ndi zaka khumi ndi ziwiri. Ndinapita kusukulu yopanga mafilimu ku College of Santa Fe ndisanaphunzire za Directing ku American Film Institute. Nditamaliza maphunziro a AFI, ndidapanga makanema angapo amafupikitsa, ndipo pofika nthawi yolemba Wokonzeka, Ndinali ndi zolemba zina khumi zomwe ndinali wokonzeka kupita (ziwiri zomwe zinali panjira yokonzekera kale Wokonzeka). Wakhala msewu wautali, koma sindinadalitsidwe ndi zida zambiri kapena othandizana nawo mwamphamvu kuposa omwe analipo Wokonzeka. Ndimadziyesa ndekha mwayi kwambiri.

DG: Kwa munthu amene sanawonepo ntchito iliyonse yam'mbuyomu, makanema anu amfupi, munganene chiyani chizindikiro chanu, siginecha yanu, ngati director, ndi chiyani Wokonzeka ngati kukhala Ari Aster kanema?

AA: Ndikukumbukira mphunzitsi wanga wamkulu ku AFI, a Peter Markham, akunena kuti kupanga makanema ndi (kapena kuyenera kukhala kupanga zoipa). Ndikugwirizana ndi mtima wonse ndi malingaliro amenewo. Cholowa changa komanso makanema anga onse afupiafupi (komanso pafupifupi makanema onse omwe ndikufuna kupanga kuchokera pano) ndi chiyembekezo chothandizira pachikhalidwe chopanga zoyipa.

DG: Mukuganiza bwanji Wokonzeka amasiyana ndi gulu lamafilimu amtundu wina pamsika?

AA: Sindikumva kuti ndi malo anga olankhulapo. Ndinganene kuti ngati filimuyo igwira ntchito, ndikukhulupirira kuti ndichifukwa choti ndidapanga cholinga changa kuti ndizilemekeza anthuwo nthawi ina iliyonse. Komanso, pali unyinji wowolowa manja kwambiri wamiseche yakutsogolo yomwe ndidatsimikiza kuti ndiyikamo.

DG: Mukayang'ana kumbuyo pazomwe mudakumana nazo Wokonzeka, kodi pali chikumbukiro chimodzi chomwe chimakuwuzani zambiri za izi, mukamayang'ana kumbuyo paulendo womwe mudatenga ndi kanema?

AA: Sindingaganize zokumbukira chimodzi makamaka. Ndinganene kuti panali mphindi zingapo pakupanga momwe ndidakumbukira mwadzidzidzi kuti ndimapanganso kanema. Izi zakhala maloto anga nthawi zonse. Chifukwa chake ndimayesa kukumbukira kuti ndikumverera mapazi anga pansi ndikuwayamikira. Iyo inali nthawi yabwino kwambiri.