Wotsogolera Kurtis David Harder Zokonda ndi kanema wowopsa wamaganizidwe okhudza amuna kapena akazi okhaokha omwe amasamukira mumzinda wawukulu kupita ku tawuni yaying'ono ali ndi mwana wawo wamkazi wokhumudwa. Ngakhale zonse zimawoneka ngati zaubwenzi komanso zopanda chiyembekezo, pali china chamdima pansi. Osati kusokonezedwa ndi Spiral: Kuchokera M'buku la Saw, Zokonda Amalimbana ndi mitu yovuta, yolimbana ndi kudana amuna kapena akazi okhaokha, kusankhana mitundu, komanso thanzi lam'mutu, zonse motsimikiza.

Ngakhale atsogozedwa ndi Harder, Zokonda inalembedwa ndi Colin Minihan (Kukumana Manda, Zomwe Zimakupangitsani Kukhala Ndi Moyo) ndi John Poliquin (Kukumana Manda 2). Posachedwa ndidakhala ndi mwayi wokhala pansi ndi Minihan ndi Poliquin kuti tikambirane Zokonda, zipembedzo, zowopsa, moyo wazaka za m'ma 90, komanso mathedwe odetsa nkhawa.

Mutha kuwerenga Ndemanga ya Waylon yonse ya Zokonda, yomwe ikukhazikika tsopano pa Shudder.

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Kelly McNeely: Kodi lembalo kapena lingaliro ili lidachokera kuti?

John Poliquin: Chifukwa chake zinali zoyankha pazisankho za 2016 komanso zonamizira zomwe a Trump anali kugwiritsa ntchito, ndipo momwe zidawonekera poyera momwe anthu amapangidwira, pomaliza pake, kuti apange maziko. Ndipo zinali zowopsa, ndipo mwachiwonekere sizinthu zomwe sizinachitike m'mbiri yonse, mukudziwa, tikudziwa, koma poti zidalipo, sitinganyalanyaze.

Timagwiritsa ntchito gulu la malingaliro, ndipo tili ngati, gwiritsitsani, tiyeni tipeze lingaliro lomwe limatenga mitu iyi, kuyika mandala owopsa, limapanga kanema wosangalatsa, komanso, lili ndi china choti nenani. Ndipo ndi komwe zidachokera, kwenikweni. Ndiponso, ndine wofatsa, ndipo Colin ndi ine takhala tikulankhula zopanga kanema wowopsa yemwe adatsamira mwauzimu. Kotero ife tinkafuna kuti tipeze chinachake, ndipo ine ndikuganiza basi malingaliro awiri awo okwatirana mwanjira yosangalatsa kwambiri. Ndipo ndiwo moyo wamalingaliro.

Kelly McNeely: Colin, ndi Zomwe Zimakupangitsani Kukhala Ndi Moyo ndi Zokonda, iyi ndi filimu yachiwiri yoopsa yomwe mwachita, yomwe ndikuganiza kuti ndiyabwino, ndikofunikira kuti nkhani izi zidziwike kunjaku. Ndimangofuna kuti mupange chisankho chanu kuti mufufuze nkhanizi.

Colin Minihan: Sindikudziwa ngati ndingakhale ndi nkhani iliyonse pafilimuyi liti Zomwe Zimakupangitsani Kukhala Ndi Moyo idali ndi kuyamba koyamba, koma chimodzi mwazinthu zomwe ndidachotsapo pazomwe ndidakumana nazo Zomwe Zimakupangitsani Kukhala Ndi Moyo anali kuwona momwe gulu lachifumu linalandirira komanso anali okondwa kuwona mawonekedwe pazenera omwe amadzimva kuti ndiowona mtima komanso osagwiritsa ntchito njira iliyonse. Mukudziwa, sanali kugwiritsidwa ntchito kuseka kapena zilizonse. Ndipo ndakhala ndikudzifunsa kuti, gehena ndi situdiyo yoti ipange kanema wowopsa womwe amaonetsa amuna awiri ogonana pachibwenzi kuti titha kuyamba kuzolowera kungowona amuna akumakhala okondana wina ndi mnzake. 

Ndikuganiza kuti anthu ambiri - makamaka zomwe JP amalankhula - anthu omwe amanyansidwa ndi "ena". Ndikuganiza chifukwa chachikulu chomwe amadzipusitsira, komanso chifukwa chomwe amafulumira kuloza, ndichifukwa choti sakudziwa, ndipo sanawone zokwanira. Chifukwa chake, ngati tingathe kupanga anthu omwe amatimvera chisoni omwe amachitiridwa monganso banja lina lililonse,Zokonda], amathandizidwa mosiyana kwambiri. Koma ngati tingathe kuwawonetsa mwanjira imeneyi, ndiye ndikuganiza kuti tapambana, chifukwa tikukhazikitsa zomwe ziyenera kukhala zikuyenda bwino pofika pano. Ndikuganiza kuti chinali chilimbikitso chenicheni chofuna kupanga Zokonda. Chifukwa palibe ambiri - ndikuganiza kuti pali zambiri zomwe zikuyamba kutuluka, mukuziwona pang'ono - makanema omwe amatsatira ubale womwewo pakatikati, osati ngati gawo laling'ono.

Kelly McNeely: Kodi mungalankhule pang'ono zakukhazikitsa Zokonda mzaka za m'ma 90 ndipo ndi chiyani chakupangitsani kuti musankhe kuchita izi, kukhalanso ngati zomwe zingachitike pazisankho za 2016?

John Poliquin: Ndikutanthauza, zinali zomveka kukhazikitsa zaka za m'ma 90. Mukudziwa, inali nthawi yovuta kwenikweni kwa gulu la LGBT. Mliri wa Edzi unali utangowonongera mizindawu, ndipo panali zoopsa zambiri pozungulira apo, ndipo zinali kugwiritsidwa ntchito kapena zida ndi anthu ambiri osamala ngati chifukwa choopera amuna ogonana amuna kapena akazi okhaokha ndipo, mukudziwa, kuti amayenera kutero. Ndipo panali malingaliro owopsa ambiri ndipo pafupifupi izi, monga, chilungamitso chowachitira ngati zilombo, anthu osawadziwa, makamaka m'magulu ang'onoang'ono. Ndipo inali nthawi yosatetezeka kwenikweni kukhala kumidzi, ngati gay mu zaka za m'ma 90.

Mukudziwa, kunali kuphedwa kwa Brandon Teena yemwe adapangidwa kukhala kanema, Anyamata Musalire, ndiyeno mukudziwa, a Matthew Shepard, kotero panali opha anthu onse otchukawa, owopsa omwe anali kuchitika, ndipo sanali kwenikweni kulira pagulu panthawiyo. Tsopano akhala chinthu chachikulu ichi, koma mzaka za m'ma 90, zinali zitasesedwa pansi pa kalipeti ngati, "chabwino, amayenera" zinali malingaliro ambiri.

Chifukwa chake ndikuganiza kuti ndikangoganiza za zinthu zonsezi, inali nthawi yovuta kwambiri ndipo zinali zomveka kuti tiwonetse kanema kumeneko. Komanso, ndikuganiza, kudzipatula, ndikuganiza kuti pali china chake pazanema zapa 90 zisanachitike zomwe zidapangitsa kuti Malik akhalemo. Sikuti amangodzipatula pagulu, koma amakhala yekhayekha ndi banja lake, ndipo alibe kulumikizana kwenikweni kunja kwa tawuniyi. Kotero ine ndikuganiza zinthu zonsezo.

Kelly McNeely: Ndikuganiza kuti ukadaulo umasewera nawo kwambiri. Chifukwa mumazolowera kuwona ukadaulo m'makanema amakono owopsa, ukadaulo womwe umagwiritsidwa ntchito kuphatikiza anthu. Koma ndikuganiza lingaliro limenelo, kachiwirinso, pakupanga kukhala kovuta kwambiri kulumikizana ndi ena kuti mudziwe zomwe zikuchitika, mutha kusewera pang'ono pang'ono.

John Poliquin: Inde, ndikutanthauza, Colin ndi ine ndife ana azaka za m'ma 90. Momwemonso - mwanjira yachilendo - kalata yachikondi yanthawi imeneyo zikafika pamalingaliro.

Kelly McNeely: Ndi mafashoni.

Colin Minihan: Ndinkakonda kukhala mnyumba mokhazikika, chifukwa ndimabweza mmbuyo, ndipo ndimakhala ngati, ooh, TV TV, VHS wosewera, izi zili ngati chakudya chophika chofunda pompano, zinali zabwino. 

John Poliquin: Inde, zinali ngati kupita kwathu kudera lina pomwe amawombera m'malo ena, timangokhala pansi pabalaza, monga, [kuusa moyo], ndimakhala omasuka pano [kuseka].

Kelly McNeely: Tsopano, pali mizere yolimba kwambiri yazokambirana, yokhala ndi mitu ya kusalingana ndi malingaliro ndiwonetsera kwamalingaliro panthawiyo, zomwe zikuwonekeranso momveka bwino tsopano. Zaka makumi atatu pambuyo pake, manthawa akugwirabe ntchito yayikulu kwambiri. Ndiye mudasanthula bwanji izi ndikubweretsa izi patsogolo? Ndipo zidalidi zofunikira kwa inu pazokambirana kuti muchite zowonekera momwe mungathere? Kunena kuti, izi ndi zomwe tikukambirana, muyenera kudziwa izi.

Colin Minihan: Ndikumva ngati ndikofunikira. Pali mawu a Bret Easton Ellis omwe ndidawawerenga, pomwe amatenga nawo gawo pazambiri zomwe zili ndi uthenga. Ndipo sindikuganiza kuti filimu yathuyi ndi yolalikira, koma ndikuganiza kuti aliyense amene angawonerere atenga uthengawo. Ndipo kwa ine, ndingakonde kuti omvera atengeko kanthu kena kotsutsana ndi zomwe zidasocherako, chifukwa zidakwiriridwa ndikunamizira kwa nkhaniyi. Chifukwa chake tidafunadi kumasula mutuwo.

Ndipo kernel yayikulu yokhudza komwe izi zimachokera - komanso chifukwa chake tidatha kuyika zaka za m'ma 90 - ndichifukwa zikuwoneka ngati kuti zaka khumi zilizonse kapena apo, pali munthu watsopano yemwe muyenera kumuwopa. Amereka ali ndi njira yabwino, yowerengedwa yopangira gawo lalikulu la anthu kuwopa enawo. Ndipo mukuziwona pompano. Inu munaziwona izo mu 90s. Ndipo mudzaziwona mtsogolomo, mwatsoka. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti imayamba kumverera ngati njira yopitilira moyo wawo. Chifukwa chake tidayamba kuganizira za mtundu wachipembedzo ngati ichi, ndipo ndipamene nkhaniyi idayamba kupangika momwe idapangidwira.

John Poliquin: Ponena za Colin, tinkafuna kutsamira. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zinali bwino, koma ngakhale pomwe Malik akuti kwa Aaron, mukudziwa, ndi mawu achigololo otani kwa Amalume Tom. Izi ndizomwe zimafotokozera mwachidule ubalewo. Ndikutanthauza, pali zinthu zambiri zosiyana zomwe zikuchitika mu zolembedwazo, koma mphamvu zawo ndikuti Aaron amatha kupititsa, kapena kuti alowe nawo muchikhalidwe chodziwika bwino, pomwe Malik alibe mwayiwo, ndipo Aaron amamuyang'ana pafupipafupi , ndipo zili ngati, chabwino, uli mbali ya ndani, Aaron? Ndipo sakuwona zoopsa zomwe zamuzungulira.

Colin Minihan: Chifukwa adakhala ngati munthu wowongoka kwanthawi yayitali. Ndipo siwokwiya kwenikweni, ndipo ndiosavuta kulandilidwa, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zinali zosangalatsa kwa otchulidwa.

John Poliquin: Inde. Koma ndikuganiza kuti ndi zokambiranazi, timafunitsitsadi kuyimba. Ndikuganiza kuti zikadakhala zomveka molingana ndi kamvekedwe ndi momwe amalankhulirana. Koma tinafuna kuwonetsetsa kuti pasapezeke aliyense amene angaphonye mitu yake ndikuti idzaikidwe bwino kwambiri.

Kelly McNeely: Ndipo ndikuganiza [ndi kanema waku Canada] kuyiyika ku States ndichisankho chanzeru kwambiri, chifukwa pali chinthu chachikulu kwambiri chonga kuwopa mnzake. “Nthawi zonse pamakhala wina amene muyenera kumuopa. Pali nthawizonse. Ndipo padzakhala pali ”ndi umodzi mwa mizere kuchokera mufilimuyi…

John Poliquin: Inde, ndimagulu, ndimomwe timasungilira momwe ziliri pano. 

Colin Minihan: Makanema awo amasewera momwemo kuposa ena onse.

John Poloquin: Ndichinthu china chomwe ndikuganiza kuti chinali chofunikira kwa ifenso, chinali kuwonetsera kwa [oyandikana nawo], makamaka a Marshall ndi a Tiffany, osachita zachiwerewere kapena osankhana. Ndizowonjezeranso kuti amapindula ndi dongosololi lomwe lakonzedwa kuti lizikankhira zomwe zikukhudzidwa mzaka khumi zapitazi. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti anthu ambiri ali ndi mlandu ndi izi, momwe ziliri, eya, mwina simusankha, kapena mukunena zinthu zosankhana mitundu, kapena simukumva ngati muli ndi chidani ichi, koma ngati osadzimasula kapena kudziphunzitsa kuti mumvetsetse momwe ukulu wakuyera uku ukuyendetsera dziko lathu komanso kuti tikugwiritsa ntchito mwayiwo, ndiye kuti ndinu gawo lavutoli.

Kelly McNeely: Tsopano, mumapanga bwanji gulu lanu? Kodi ndi njira yanji yosankha kuti izi zidzakhala zotani? Chifukwa izo zikuwoneka ngati imeneyo ingakhale gawo losangalatsa kwambiri pantchitoyi.

Colin Minihan: Ndikuganiza kuti mukufuna kusiya mafunso ambiri osayankhidwa. Chifukwa mukangoyamba kumene kulemba zolinga zachipembedzocho, zinthu zimatha kuyamba kumva kuti sizakhazikika mwachangu kwambiri. Ndipo ngati kanemayo sakumva kuti ali ndi maziko, zenizeni zake zimakhala zochepa ndipo sizivuta kukhala paulendowu. Osachepera kwa ine. Nthawi zonse ndimakonda dziko lenileni, nthawi yeniyeni yosangalala, awa ndi makanema omwe ndidakulira. Chifukwa chake timayesera kukupatsani zokwanira zokhudzana ndi gululi, ndi zolinga zawo komanso momwe akugwiritsira ntchito. Chilichonse chomwe chili mufilimuyi ndi chomera, kotero kuti Malik agwere mumsampha wawo. 

John Poliquin: Chirichonse chimene iye amachiwona, iwo akufuna kuti iye achiwone icho, iwo akunyengerera.

Colin Minihan: Ndimakumbukira zojambula zoyambirira pomwe amapeza zolemba zake zomwe anali nazo ndi zina zotero. Ndipo panali mphindi yonseyi, koma timafuna kuti asungidwe pang'ono mumdima, pamapeto pake. Ndikuganiza kuti script inali filimu yovuta kulemba. Ndikuganiza kuti zidatenga nthawi yayitali kuposa zowonera zambiri zomwe ndimakonda, ndikudziwa zomwe ali nthawi yomweyo, ndipo izi zimasintha pang'onopang'ono.

Kelly McNeely: Nchiyani chinakukhumudwitsani nonse? Kodi mudayamba bwanji kuchita nawo mantha?

Colin Minihan: Ndikuganiza kuti mantha ndi gulu la akunja, ndipo ndimakulira ndikumverera ngati mlendo m'tawuni ya 2500, anthu samangokhala ngati ndili woyenera msinkhu winawake. Ndipo ine nthawizonse ndakhala ndiri ndi wopanduka, ndipo chowopsya chiri ndi wopanduka, wotsutsa ulamuliro, mzere wodziyimira pawokha kwa iwo. Izi ndizosangalatsa ngati waluso. Ndipo simumadalira - makamaka mukamayambira - simumadalira ochita sewero omwe ali ndi dzina lalikulu kuti muphatikize pamodzi zinthu zomwe zingapangitse kanema wodziyimira payokha. Ndili ndi chithunzi cha kanema wanga woyamba wowopsa - Kukumana Manda - pakhoma. Ndipo uwu ndi mzimu weniweni wodziyimira pawokha wokhala ndi gulu laling'ono kwambiri la abwenzi amabwera limodzi ndi $ 100,000 ndikupanga china chake chomwe chimatenga moyo wawo wonse. 

Ndipo zoopsa ndizabwino, chifukwa, mukudziwa, Zokonda ndi sewero, Zokonda chosangalatsa, Zokonda ndi kanema wowopsa. Koma zokambirana zambiri zomwe zimachitika sikuti zimangopitilira kungokhala kanema wampatuko. Ndizochulukirapo, ndipo zomwe sizabwino pazakuwopsa ndikuti mutha kusanthula zinthu zosiyanasiyana zamitundu yosiyanasiyana mkati mwake. Komabe khalani ndi nkhani zachikhalidwe.

John Poliquin: Inde, ndinganene kuti mantha ali ndi mafani abwino kwambiri. Ndi akunja ambiri, anthu ambiri omwe amadzimva mosiyana, ndipo amawona mitu yomwe imakhudzana ndi - kapena otchulidwa omwe akukhudzidwa nawo - mwamantha omwe mwina sangatchulidwe wamba kapena, mukudziwa, kutchuka kwamitundu. Koma ndimaganiziranso kuti ndi mtundu wowoneka bwino, ndipo umalola omvera kuti azimva kumverera kopanda tanthauzo nthawi zambiri, ndipo imatha kukweza kalilole ndikukweza kumvetsetsa kwamitundu yonse ndi mayankho omwe ali osangalatsa. Koma ndizosangalatsanso kwambiri! Ndidayamba kuwona zoopsa ndimagulu a anzanga ndili mwana, ndiwo omwe adandiyambitsa makanema oopsa. Ndipo ndi mtundu wosangalatsa kuwonera ndi anthu ndikukambirana pambuyo pake ndikumverera kena kake.

Kelly McNeely: Ndikuganiza kuti ndichipata chachikulu mwanjira imeneyo, chifukwa umalowa mukadali wachichepere, kumangoyang'ana zinthu zosangalatsa. Ndipo iwe umayamba chifukwa chakuti wakula, ukhoza kuwonera zinthu zomwe zimakhala zovuta kwambiri komanso nthawi zina zimakhala zoperewera. 

Kelly McNeely: Colin, pakati pa makanema onga Kukumana Manda, Zomwe Zimakupangitsani Kukhala Ndi Moyo ndi Kutentha Kwambiri, zikuwoneka kuti mumakonda mathero osakhalitsa, omwe ndiabwino. Mukuwona kutha kwa Zokonda kukhala mathero opanda chiyembekezo kapena mathero abwino?

Colin Minihan: Chabwino, zinali zopukutira kwambiri [kuseka].

John Poliquin: Ndinalemba mathero osangalatsa kwambiri ndipo anatsekedwa [kuseka].

Colin Minihan: Munatero, mudaziyika patsamba mpaka tidawombera. Ndinayenera kudula chifukwa inali yayikulu kwambiri, ndipo ndimangokhala ngati, palibe njira yoti tiwombere izi masiku 23, Pepani JP koma timapita ndi kutha kwachisoni [kuseka].

Ndikuganiza kuti mathero osafunikira atha kukhumudwitsa omvera, ndipo mwina ungachepetse mphotho yako ya Rotten Tomato. Koma ndikuganiza kuti nthawi zambiri, zimakusiyani inu kukumbukira kanema ndikungokhala ngati, o, chilichonse chikuyenda bwino mdziko lino. Ndikuganiza kuti zitha kuyambitsa zokambirana zambiri ngati zichokera pamalo enieni. Koma izi zati, Ndikuganiza kuti mukakhala mumsongole wa kanema, mutha kuyambitsa zolemba ndikukhala ngati, zidzakhala mathero osangalatsa. Koma zolembedwazo ziwulula kuti kwenikweni, sizikufuna kukhala zomwezo. Ndipo kotero ndimangomva ngati, amuna, kanema uyu satero. Si mathero a nkhaniyi, mukudziwa, mwachilengedwe, monga ndidanenera, zaka 10 kuchokera pano padzakhala wina yemwe sitimudziwa nkomwe, "munthu ameneyo ndi woyipa, ndipo ndi chifukwa chake anthu apakatikati kulibenso, ndi iwo omwe abwera kudzagwira ntchito zathu! ”. Ndipo kotero nkhaniyi sinathe. 

Chifukwa chake kanemayu adangodzipereka kuti apitilize izi, ndichifukwa chake kanema amatchedwa chomwe chiri. Tsoka ilo makanema ena amatchedwanso pano tsopano, koma tinapezanso njira yopangira chiyembekezo pang'ono, ndikuganiza, chomwe chinali chofunikira. Ndipo ndikuganiza Kurtis [David Harder, director] anali ngati, uku ndikumapeto kwachisawawa, amuna. Ndipo John, mwachiwonekere, mwayesa kulemba mtundu wa zomwe zinali zosangalatsa, koma tidapeza malo apakati pomwe, mukudziwa, Malik adzagwiritsa ntchito zinyenyeswazi za mkate m'badwo wotsatira womwe udzawombere. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti nawonso ndi uthenga wabwino, chifukwa ndi zomwe timachita tsopano zomwe sizingatikhudze ife, koma zidzakhudza gulu lotsatira la anthu.